Dovetail joint fit need help with correction

Dove Tail -- Mortise and Tenon -- the right choice and how to get it to fit
Beau J
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Re: Dovetail joint fit need help with correction

Post by Beau J » Thu May 02, 2013 10:59 pm

this is where i am currently at. neck is dead center and fits snug. cheeks look good not great but dont want to fool with anymore until final set. angle is much better. but has 1/8 inch clearance from sound board to straight edge with no finger board installed. i think i am ready to check the bridge.
you guys have been a great help.
what do you think.
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Re: Dovetail joint fit need help with correction

Post by ken cierp » Fri May 03, 2013 7:18 am

Way to go!!! That looks great.

Next step is to replace the paper shims with wood veneer -- the goal is to get that exact same fit. I believe the gap at the bridge is OK a little high but there are ways to deal with that -- so you did good there too.

Something that often throws off measurements in this process is the natural curvature of the finger-board. So don't be tempted to check the fit with it clamped in place. The reality is the bow and other irregularities will be flatened out when the FB is glued on the neck and finger board extension are clamped and compressed to the body. What you are doing now is preparing the exact final location ---- This is element is huge in the big picture --- trying to fit the neck angle using the finger-board, and not taking this inconsistancy into consideration is the number "two" cause of grief in the neck adjustment process. Number "one" is not taking time to get the straight line established -- you have jumped the first hurtle. --- Great!

Beau J
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Re: Dovetail joint fit need help with correction

Post by Beau J » Sat May 04, 2013 10:39 pm

shims glued in worked on the dove tail now the neck is fitting tight, straight and just proud of the sound board. if i install the fret board it sits about 3/32 above the sound board at the end near the sound hole. with a straight edge on the fret board and the bridge resting on the sound board the straight edge is 1/16 above the bridge . do you think i should shim the fret board or lower the neck and sand the top down . i think i will have to sand to much off the sound board to get it right. i could possibly attempt to adjust the neck angle back up slightly??
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Re: Dovetail joint fit need help with correction

Post by Tim Benware » Sat May 04, 2013 10:53 pm

I'd fabricate a wedge for that. Done correctly you'll hardly notice. It is often necessary to do that after a reset which is very much like you just did. Now you know a good bit of how to do a DT neck reset, learn the other half and you're in business:)
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Re: Dovetail joint fit need help with correction

Post by ken cierp » Sat May 04, 2013 10:57 pm

just proud of the sound board

Why??

Sand off the tenon until the neck drops into the mortise and the neck plane is even with the sound-board.

Sanding the sound -board process, as mentioned early on, has nothing to do with your situation.

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Re: Dovetail joint fit need help with correction

Post by Beau J » Sat May 04, 2013 11:47 pm

the neck is already very close to level with the sound board the difference will not be made up more than 1/32
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Re: Dovetail joint fit need help with correction

Post by ken cierp » Sun May 05, 2013 8:58 am

As it relates to neck angle and neck fit 1/32" is "HUGE" Something that I see often that prevents the tenon from dropping down in the mortise is a mis-match or poorly shaped area where the side/rim cap was removed -- the "V" should be cleaned back a little and have very crisp edges so they seats deep enough in the tenon corners.

As for you general situation at this point --- your angle/projection at the bridge is "too" high, your idea to add a spacer under the finger-board extension makes it even higher -- not good!

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