Wet sanding Nitro Lacquer

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TonyinNYC
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Wet sanding Nitro Lacquer

Post by TonyinNYC » Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:04 am

Since I am working on three guitars right now and they are in different stages, I have one guitar that I have already lacquered that is ready for wet sanding. I used rattle cans of Deft because the local big box store carries it. Here are a couple of pics:

This is my sanding block for wet sanding lacquer:
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It is approximately 1.5" x 1.5" square and .25" thick. Pretty standard cork board material. I wrap the paper around it and pinch it in the center to hold it around the block, like so:
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I begin sanding with 1000 grit paper. I have tried starting with 600, but it can leave deep scratches that wont all sand out and you wont see them until you polish the guitar. You will then kick yourself. Ouch.
I sand an area about twice the size of the sanding block from top to bottom and across the guitar from the side to the center line, in a circular motion. I use a very light touch and I wipe off the surface frequently to check my progress. I will sand a small area dry if I have the whole section level except for a couple of wise ass low spots that refuse to level out.
When I am dry sanding, the lacquer will pill up under the paper and I wipe it off on the towel I have the box on. You will also need to wipe these pills off of the surface so you are not riding on them instead of actually sanding the guitar.
I switch to 1500 grit and do it all again. I stop at 1500 grit and check how well the lacquer will polish out. The compound I use states it will remove sanding scratches of 1200 grit paper, so if I have done my job properly, I will get a nice shine with the compound alone. The wax is the icing on the cake. I use the Wizard's wax and compound Ken Cierp recommends for lacquer. Other people have good success with other compounds and wax. It is up to you which products you wish to use. However, the Wizard's products smell like candy, so I am sticking with it because I do the compounding and waxing while sitting on my couch and the smell keeps my wife off my back while I am working!
I will attempt to make a video of how I sand but I usually need one hand to hold the box while I sand.
Questions? Comments? Let me have 'em!!
Thanks,

Tony

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Re: Wet sanding Nitro Lacquer

Post by Dave Bagwill » Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:40 am

Great post Tony. This is the type of thing that is very helpful.
How many cans of Deft would you suggest for one instrument?

Dave
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TonyinNYC
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Re: Wet sanding Nitro Lacquer

Post by TonyinNYC » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:58 am

Thanks again Dave! I used 6 cans of lacquer. I put a few more coats on the back and sides than the top. If the thickness on my sound hole cover is any indication, I have a good build on my coats but it is not too thick. I did not measure the thickness however.
No leveling between coats. I found the Deft easy to use and it dried very hard. I read a few posts that it stayed soft for some folks. No problems here.
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Re: Wet sanding Nitro Lacquer

Post by ken cierp » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:28 am

Nice post Tony -- very informative.

I'll add this -- having used Deft for about 30 years in our furniture business and the guitar shop with zero problems I certainly recommend it spray or brushed. For the record each and every time I investigated reported problems with this product the issues were compatibility related (not following directions). If Deft is applied over another product that is not dried complete -- it may stay tacky a very, very long time -- especially over oil base stain.

And here is the caveat to the above comment -- any nitro based product will have exactly the same issues.

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Re: Wet sanding Nitro Lacquer

Post by TonyinNYC » Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:16 am

Thanks Ken. I suspect there could also be issues with bad batches of the stuff, but more than likely, it is bad prep.
I did not know that wiping the nitro with denatured alcohol before I sprayed a coat would make the finish get cloudy. I was using DNA because I thought it would not affect the nitro at all and I wanted to clean off any dust before shooting another coat.
Well, I wound up with a cloudy finish that was clear where my braces were. I can not figure that out, but I got a can of blush remover, misted on a light coat per the instructions, and within minutes, the cloudiness vanished. It has not returned.
Finishing takes a lot of work starting with prep sanding the wood and finishing with the wet sanding and polishing of the finish. If done right, it pays off big time with a guitar that looks like a million bucks!
I'm glad this is helpful to everyone. I left out a pic of the finish partly sanded. It is very hard to photograph the shiny spots but i will try to get a shot of them.

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Re: Wet sanding Nitro Lacquer

Post by Dennis in Anola » Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:49 pm

Tony, I now have my guitar body sanded with 600 followed by 1000 grit and it is looking very good (at least to me) with only a few small areas showing a hint of orange peel. Tomorrow I intend to go over everything with 1500 grit especially around the purfling edges. What direction should I sand the top, back and sides in to obtain the best results?

The 600 paper I used came from a liquidation sale many years ago when a local home materials supplier went out of buisiness. I got the 1000 grit from Lee Valley. The 1000 grit seemed to sand far more easily that the "cheap" 600 I used. The 1500 I have on hand came from a specialty auto paint supplier and I believe it is high quality product. I'll find out tomorrow.
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Re: Wet sanding Nitro Lacquer

Post by TonyinNYC » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:02 pm

It doesn't matter which way you go since you still have orange peel left. When you no longer see the orange peel, you will know you have removed all the 1000 grit scratches.

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