Third Flamenco Guitar - Traditional Build Style
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:50 pm
I am making my third flamenco. My hope is to get the build quality of my second and the sound of my first flamenco. Luckily I performed all of my plate analysis, so I can hope to built a top with close to the same resonances. Generally I use a plate tapping method to determine the young's modulus of the wood. The frequency that a rectangular plate vibrates correlates to the stiffness of the wood. On this guitar I did use that method to determine the thickness of a sitka top that I have. The back presented a challenge as the plate was not square. So I squared a portion and use deflection to determine the stiffness of the wood. I am starting a new flamenco blanca guitar with spanish cypress back and sides. The Gore plate thicknessing method using tap tones as described The Book requires evenly thicknessed rectangular plates. Often times with nice back and side sets the plates are non rectangular taking advantage of the fact that the upper bout is narrower than the lower bout. My spanish cypress set for a new flamenco guitar has trapezoidal plates that were too small to square up. So I went ahead and did the work required to allow me to get my thickness targets using deflection measurements. I thought some might find some value seeing how I did it. Also if I mucked anything up I will be sure to get corrections.
For this process I needed two good representative rectangular samples of the back plates for a long grain stiffness value and a cross grain stiffness measurement. As you could see in the first photo. I was able to create a square section on one of the plates. Also after taking a long grain deflection I will have enough length to cut off a rectangular section of the same plate.
Previously I have built a deflection jig that allows me to take deflection measurements on a variety of span lengths. So first off I measured the long grain deflection under a measured load.
Next I cut off a 50 mm or so rectangular section off of the plate, set up the deflection jig and measured the cross grain deflection
The last additional bit of information I needed was the density of the wood. To determine the density of the wood I needed the mass of the cross grain sample.
The last step was to modify my previously spreadsheet for calculating target thickness using tap frequencies to use deflection based young's modulus calculations. Luckily I had a handy spreadsheet from the Modal Tuning with Trevor Gore class I took at Robbie's place to calculate the long and cross grain young's modulus for the plate. The book also has the information needed to make these calculations. I substituted the deflection based El and Ec calculations for the frequency calculations in my original spreadsheet and set the Elc to an average value. This term has little effect in the overall calculation. With all the required inputs I got what looks like a good thickness target for the plate. This target is very close to my frequency based target from my first flamenco guitar using spanish cypress. So it seems like the method worked well.
Just for reference here is the spreadsheet for my tap baised thickness calculation for the top plates on this guitar.
With the properties of the tone wood I was in a position to joint both plates.
For this process I needed two good representative rectangular samples of the back plates for a long grain stiffness value and a cross grain stiffness measurement. As you could see in the first photo. I was able to create a square section on one of the plates. Also after taking a long grain deflection I will have enough length to cut off a rectangular section of the same plate.
Previously I have built a deflection jig that allows me to take deflection measurements on a variety of span lengths. So first off I measured the long grain deflection under a measured load.
Next I cut off a 50 mm or so rectangular section off of the plate, set up the deflection jig and measured the cross grain deflection
The last additional bit of information I needed was the density of the wood. To determine the density of the wood I needed the mass of the cross grain sample.
The last step was to modify my previously spreadsheet for calculating target thickness using tap frequencies to use deflection based young's modulus calculations. Luckily I had a handy spreadsheet from the Modal Tuning with Trevor Gore class I took at Robbie's place to calculate the long and cross grain young's modulus for the plate. The book also has the information needed to make these calculations. I substituted the deflection based El and Ec calculations for the frequency calculations in my original spreadsheet and set the Elc to an average value. This term has little effect in the overall calculation. With all the required inputs I got what looks like a good thickness target for the plate. This target is very close to my frequency based target from my first flamenco guitar using spanish cypress. So it seems like the method worked well.
Just for reference here is the spreadsheet for my tap baised thickness calculation for the top plates on this guitar.
With the properties of the tone wood I was in a position to joint both plates.