Your opinion on top bracing this guitar

Wood choice logic, brace shapes, braces patterns -- what and why for the "heart of the guitar"
ken cierp
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Re: Your opinion on top bracing this guitar

Post by ken cierp » Fri May 10, 2013 3:55 pm

The "yellow" pattern does not pass the (my) structural logic test -- looks contrived and I don't like the "X" intersection so close to the bridge. This the compliant that haunts the post war Martins (true or false?) it would seem to restrict the rocking motion of the bridge. I like the red, even though I assume you are using a pin-less bridge -- a rather large bridge plate would go a long way in stabalizing and reinforcing the the sound-board.

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Re: Your opinion on top bracing this guitar

Post by dave d » Fri May 10, 2013 4:07 pm

deadedith wrote:I hope to reach that level some day Dave. The whole carved-top process is one that fascinates me, and the guitars can sound gorgeous, but not in the same way that x-braced instruments sound.
Dang, thought I could convince you to carve an archtop. I must improve my persuasion skills. :)

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Re: Your opinion on top bracing this guitar

Post by Tim Benware » Fri May 10, 2013 4:36 pm

deadedith wrote:I have thought about that, and have seen it done on other instruments. However, I am enamored by the aesthetic of this particular instrument, and would like to make it work, and work well, with the fholes in thier current configuration.
Looks like you'd only have to drop them 1 to 1 1/2" and the X brace looks to me like it would be real close to where a pre-war Martin X would be. Would that change the "look" too much?
I've "Ben-Had" again!
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Dave Bagwill
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Re: Your opinion on top bracing this guitar

Post by Dave Bagwill » Fri May 10, 2013 4:44 pm

Could be that you are right - a little compromise in the design might open up the possibility of using a proven bracing scheme. Worth thinking about. Thanks.
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Re: Your opinion on top bracing this guitar

Post by Dave Bagwill » Fri May 10, 2013 7:42 pm

I contacted Liutaio Mottola about his bracing scheme, for use with an off-center soundhole; I've shown this pic before. He thinks that structurally there would be no problem using the f-holes, losing the round soundhole, and using the bracing as shown without modification. The angle of the pic makes the construction look heavier than it really is.
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Re: Your opinion on top bracing this guitar

Post by Dave Bagwill » Sun May 12, 2013 7:25 pm

Here is a very short vid of Michael Horowitz at djangobooks.com playing a gypsy-style instrument. What would be your best speculative guess on what difference x-bracing it would make as opposed to the ladder bracing it has?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ6I6D5S ... r_embedded
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Re: Your opinion on top bracing this guitar

Post by Dave Bagwill » Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:58 am

In the picture above that shows the a-braces and the ladder brace - he has the ladder brace notched very firmly into the A's.

I'm wondering about doing a buttress over each of the A legs instead of notching. My 'thinking' is, that this would provide the same amount of support structurally, and maybe loosen up the A's for more top vibration. What does the forum think about that?
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