One pic = 1K words

Dove Tail -- Mortise and Tenon -- the right choice and how to get it to fit
ken cierp
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Re: One pic = 1K words

Post by ken cierp » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:10 pm

Why so big? 1/8" depth would be just as effective. Those splice tenons add zero strength to the joint, maybe compromise the neck block? They are merely locators, which leads right to -- have two bolts (takes care of the perpendicular) and also adds real strength, countering the lever action of the neck string tension. Oh wait! That's been done before.

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Re: One pic = 1K words

Post by Dave Bagwill » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:59 pm

The splice tenons are glued into the heel with HOT HIDE GLUE , boys and girls, so there is nothing to worry about.
Just kidding :-)
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Re: One pic = 1K words

Post by Dave Bagwill » Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:19 pm

More importantly, I did find a pic of the early Taylor butt-joint system. Man it is simple, and worked great. Got the pic from:
http://www.frets.com/FretsPages/Luthier ... reset.html
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Re: One pic = 1K words

Post by ken cierp » Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:10 pm

My experimental "lab guitar" constructed 1980 ish, has that style joint retrofitted from a dovetail, still going strong for 8 or 10 years now. On that one the FB extension is glued to the top cut off at the 14th the fourteenth fret covers the seam at the slot. Also I have a 1/2" dowel running all the way thru the heel. You can see it in the pixs

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Re: One pic = 1K words

Post by Dave Bagwill » Tue Aug 12, 2014 6:52 pm

Ok. A hardwood dowel to hold the inserts better?
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Re: One pic = 1K words

Post by ken cierp » Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:41 pm

Correct

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Re: One pic = 1K words

Post by Dave Bagwill » Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:59 pm

What in general would be the recommended minimum thickness of the heel on a butt-joint? Here is a picture of a sweet heel from a gypsy guitar, but of course they are traditionally dovetail joints.
For a butt joint, the heel looks a little thin? Is there a good minimum thickness?
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