Gore Gilet Design and Build books

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Trevor Gore
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Re: Gore Gilet Design and Build books

Post by Trevor Gore » Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:11 pm

johnparchem wrote: I do plan to build a falcate braced steel string at some point. My main fear now is dealing with adhesives and carbon fiber at the same time. I still have enough problems gluing a single bit of spruce on a top without making a mess.
Once you get into it, it's not quite so intimidating. Have a practice doing straight runs before you try curved runs, though. Lots of people have tried this now and have enjoyed their results.


BTW, thanks for your kind comments re: the books.

Rienk Ayers
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Re: Gore Gilet Design and Build books

Post by Rienk Ayers » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:51 pm

If anyone is considering thinning down their luthier library, I would be very interested in picking up some books - in particular the Gore/Gilet series.
Please PM.

John Link
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Re: Gore Gilet Design and Build books

Post by John Link » Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:49 pm

I just received the Gore/Gilet books today after ordering them November 28 (Thanksgiving) which amounts to 4 working days from order to delivery. That's speedy delivery to say the least. They are huge, brimming over with information and color photographs, and very beautifully made. Well worth the $228 cost (delivered via air) - there are a lot of pages, something like 800. The writing, photographing, printing and binding standards are at the top of my git making library, with only Somogyi's books as company.

Of particular interest is the emphasis on the monopole response (top as a whole). The Falcate bracing scheme Gore uses, with or without CF, is no doubt a good way to address it, demonstrated by the test results he supplies. And once I looked at it in relation to the monopole, it was easy to intuit how it facilitates this critical movement. But the simple face that he identifies the importance of the monopole and the permutations of design that can affect it, with test numbers from many other approaches, is just as noteworthy.

Their math has been checked out by Professor Thiele, half of the authorship that produced the famous Thiele-Small equations for box response in loudspeaker design.

As far as laminated bridge design goes (which was discussed elsewhere recently), the suggestion to laminate in a layer of CF towards the top seems like a very good idea whether one uses the low density wood also suggested or not. It would eliminate a lot of repairs later on in the life of the instrument and could be applied to even dense wood to achieve smaller, easier to drive bridges without fear of breaking. The discussion of the importance of string height over the soundboard with respect to musicality is one I have not seen before. It goes well with string height and playability, but suggests even more reason to exert control over neck angle and adjust for soundboard placement as a separate parameter. Ken's Mega Mold techniques would serve this consideration well.

The bolt on neck design, complete with detailed drawings and construction sequence photos, might be worth the price of the books if you make many guitars and worry about returns for neck problems.

Simple but effective rosette techniques are illustrated. In fact, the book abounds with simple and elegant design solutions that are visually more appealing than elaborations such as Martin's 1 millionth - to my eye, anyway. The assumptions regarding shop tooling are reasonable and modest, thus technical explanations of proper use of planes for thinning plates and sizing braces, chisels for cutting notches, etc. are profoundly relevant to anyone just getting started, as well as the more advanced.

I was so impressed that I literally could not put the books down and have skim read both volumes in the 4 hours I have had them.

I'm sorry Rienk, but my copies are not for sale and won't be, ever. I'd suggest anyone at a loss for what to ask from Santa this year consider putting in a request for these books.
John

Rienk Ayers
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Re: Gore Gilet Design and Build books

Post by Rienk Ayers » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:13 am

Good News!

Trevor said that he was going to send me a set of his books as a Christmas present!

(all I have to do is send him one... something about a check for $228?)

John Parchem
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Re: Gore Gilet Design and Build books

Post by John Parchem » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:48 am

I have the set and I have read them cover to cover. I have both books in my shop and reread sections depending on where I am in the project. I have started to record all of the plate parameters for my guitars and have taken frequency spectrum measurements of the guitar before and after finishing and gluing on the bridge. With the latest guitar I used one of his equations to determine the thickness of the top based on the characteristics of the plates used to make the top and the response I am looking for. He does not have magic equations, rather he has equations to use the characteristics of the wood and a system of measurements to achieve more consistency. He also shows how changes to top thickness, brace height, back response affect the overall output of a guitar. I really like these books.

I have not built from his plans, rather I have been incorporation the design documentation into my own guitars.

John Link
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Re: Gore Gilet Design and Build books

Post by John Link » Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:12 pm

Rienk, I appreciate your humor ... and its point. For books, these are expensive. But when I compare their absolute cost to the cost of the raw materials to make just one guitar, well, they become just another ingredient in the journey. Maybe Santa will look favorably on you. Or maybe there is a forum member who is ready to sell a set. I could not locate any copies on the used book market, but one never knows.

John, I expect the Gore/Gilet books to take the same place in my workflow that they have in yours. Like the Somogyi books, they leave lots of room to wiggle and even gyrate to accommodate my own goals. Unlike the Somogyi books, they also provide several quite prescriptive, step-by-step guides from start to finish of an instrument that is a copy (more or less) of one of their own.

For anyone interested in lattice bracing, they provide the most specific information for constructing such a top that I have encountered. There is also a lot of good stuff about using Carbon Fiber in a number of ways besides neck reinforcement.

One observation made by the authors worth mentioning is their belief that today's guitars are NOT made the way they used to be, they are made BETTER! And they back up that assertion with observations that rang my bell in a number of ways. Then go on to speculate when today's best guitars become "collectible" they will be better than the instruments that are now collected, an obvious conclusion. This is in keeping with their intention to write about the future of lutherie more than its past. They devote much effort to improving the durability of the instrument, but also observe that a guitar, like everything else in our world, is born, grows and matures, then dies. At that point there must be something to replace what has expired, and hopefully it will be better, certainly not worse.

I must admit here that I have never met an Australian I didn't like. There seems to be a cultural selection process at work there that creates robust, serious but also seriously funny, positive outlooks. I fancy the market for anti-depressants in Australia isn't as fertile as it is in the USA.
John

Rienk Ayers
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Re: Gore Gilet Design and Build books

Post by Rienk Ayers » Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:41 pm

More good news!

My set ships tomorrow!


(Is it tomorrow already down there? :) )

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