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 Post subject: CITES experience?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:11 pm 
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I purchased a Madagascar Rosewood set from Madinter in April. It shipped on June 5 and was supposed to be delivered Friday the 9th. I get an email from Madinter this morning stating that I need to get a couple of forms sent to the customs office by tomorrow. That won't be happening. I contacted FedEx and they said they need the forms from the seller. Do I need to fill out the PPQ 621 and PPQ 585 or should Madinter do that? They filed for the CITES permit and I don't even have it. I tried contacting the USDA office about it, but getting a hold of them is like finding gold at the end of a rainbow. Any advice on what I need to do? Thank you!


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 Post subject: Re: CITES experience?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:38 pm 
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Sounds like the beginnings of a fun nightmare. I don't have any advice, but I'll wish you good luck.


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 Post subject: Re: CITES experience?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:35 am 
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To get the supplier on track I suggest you contact your credit card service, hopefully you used PayPal let them know your goods were not delivered, having funds held up tends to get the supplier to do the right thing. $.02

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 Post subject: Re: CITES experience?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:56 am 
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Seems that Madinter might have assumed you already had a permit?

http://www.madinter.com/media/CITES_and ... tional.pdf

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 Post subject: Re: CITES experience?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:08 pm 
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Thanks Ken. I did use paypal, always do if I can. I was under the understanding that I needed to wait because of the time it could take to get the CITES permit. I believe I am on the road to getting it sorted. I was able to get an answer at the USDA APHIS office and the sweetest lady helped me through getting a registration online and the forms initiated. I'm still waiting to hear back on the next steps from FedEx.


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 Post subject: Re: CITES experience?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:04 pm 
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Christian,
Did you pay for the permit? 'cause madinter wants to get paid 65 euro's for the documents.
good luck
Herman


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 Post subject: Re: CITES experience?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:07 pm 
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That's a good question but the way I read it both the exporter and importer need permits.

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 Post subject: Re: CITES experience?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:17 pm 
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It true, both importer and exporter need a permit. Madinter charged me €80 for the CITES permit not the stated €65. I had to fill out a PPQ 621, that is the permit to import the protected item(s) and a PPQ 585 which indicates the specific item(s) pertaining to CITES. The PPQ 621 requires a $70 fee to be paid and is good for two years. I forwarded it all to FedEx and I received the set yesterday. It was all pretty easy to do. The time consuming part was finding out what needed to be done. Madinter didn't do right by me concerning what I paid for and what I received but that's another subject. Needless to say, I am incredibly disappointed in the set.


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 Post subject: Re: CITES experience?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:50 pm 
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So it cost you $140+ for permits?

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 Post subject: Re: CITES experience?
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Sounds like nothing but a money grab scheme to me


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